Steep discounts, steep competition

AmazonlocalWatch out, Groupon and LivingSocial: A giant has entered the local daily deal market.

Amazon, which is building two massive distribution centers in the Richmond region, has brought its daily deal coupon business, AmazonLocal, to the Richmond area.

AmazonLocal Richmond launched last month and has offered discounts for local restaurants Strange Matter, Royal India Express and Stuffy Subs, as well as discounted carpet cleaning, eyeglasses and hypnotherapy.

Amazon joins a crowded market of daily deal sites, including Groupon and LivingSocial and other small and local copycats. Both Groupon and LivingSocial went live in Richmond in 2010.

Amazon didn’t respond to calls by press time.

LivingSocial spokeswoman Jody Gavin said the Richmond area has been receptive to the daily deal business, citing a Julep’s half-off promotion that sold more than 2,400 coupons. Richmond’s Cross Creek Nursery and Landscaping earned a spot on Groupon’s Best of 2011 list after selling more than 1,000 coupons on two separate promotions.

But Cross Creek Vice President Mark McAuliffe isn’t sure whether the deal generated any profit for his business.

“The jury is still out on the whole thing,” McAuliffe said.

McAuliffe said that the $40 coupons expanded Cross Creek’s customer base but that selling so many coupons meant giving away large amounts of steeply discounted merchandise — often without selling anything at full price.

“There are definitely people who buy the coupon and spend $40 exactly,” he said.

Julep’s owner Amy Cabaniss said her business benefited when customers redeemed the coupons because they typically spent more than the coupon offered.

She also said the deals are a great way to spread awareness for new businesses.

“Thousands and thousands see the offer, even if they don’t buy it,” she said.

McAuliffe agreed, saying he was pleased with the new customers Groupon and LivingSocial deals brought to his business. But Cross Creek will run fewer promotions in the future, McAuliffe said, as the promotions’ ultimate effect on the nursery’s bottom line is unclear.

Amazon’s move comes amid signs that the once red-hot daily deal market might be cooling.

According to a January Daily Deal Media report, the number of daily deal publishers dropped 7.61 percent in the second half of 2011, and Groupon stock fell to an all-time low below $9 per share Monday.

Amazon launched its daily deal business in 2011 by offering promotions with the help of LivingSocial. Amazon also owns a large stake in LivingSocial as a result of a $175 million investment in late 2010. AmazonLocal ran its first promotion independent from LivingSocial this March, according to a report from Reuters.

AmazonlocalWatch out, Groupon and LivingSocial: A giant has entered the local daily deal market.

Amazon, which is building two massive distribution centers in the Richmond region, has brought its daily deal coupon business, AmazonLocal, to the Richmond area.

AmazonLocal Richmond launched last month and has offered discounts for local restaurants Strange Matter, Royal India Express and Stuffy Subs, as well as discounted carpet cleaning, eyeglasses and hypnotherapy.

Amazon joins a crowded market of daily deal sites, including Groupon and LivingSocial and other small and local copycats. Both Groupon and LivingSocial went live in Richmond in 2010.

Amazon didn’t respond to calls by press time.

LivingSocial spokeswoman Jody Gavin said the Richmond area has been receptive to the daily deal business, citing a Julep’s half-off promotion that sold more than 2,400 coupons. Richmond’s Cross Creek Nursery and Landscaping earned a spot on Groupon’s Best of 2011 list after selling more than 1,000 coupons on two separate promotions.

But Cross Creek Vice President Mark McAuliffe isn’t sure whether the deal generated any profit for his business.

“The jury is still out on the whole thing,” McAuliffe said.

McAuliffe said that the $40 coupons expanded Cross Creek’s customer base but that selling so many coupons meant giving away large amounts of steeply discounted merchandise — often without selling anything at full price.

“There are definitely people who buy the coupon and spend $40 exactly,” he said.

Julep’s owner Amy Cabaniss said her business benefited when customers redeemed the coupons because they typically spent more than the coupon offered.

She also said the deals are a great way to spread awareness for new businesses.

“Thousands and thousands see the offer, even if they don’t buy it,” she said.

McAuliffe agreed, saying he was pleased with the new customers Groupon and LivingSocial deals brought to his business. But Cross Creek will run fewer promotions in the future, McAuliffe said, as the promotions’ ultimate effect on the nursery’s bottom line is unclear.

Amazon’s move comes amid signs that the once red-hot daily deal market might be cooling.

According to a January Daily Deal Media report, the number of daily deal publishers dropped 7.61 percent in the second half of 2011, and Groupon stock fell to an all-time low below $9 per share Monday.

Amazon launched its daily deal business in 2011 by offering promotions with the help of LivingSocial. Amazon also owns a large stake in LivingSocial as a result of a $175 million investment in late 2010. AmazonLocal ran its first promotion independent from LivingSocial this March, according to a report from Reuters.

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Chris Fawcett
Chris Fawcett
11 years ago

I work with a lot of small businesses that have tried either Groupon or Living Social. Rarely do they increase their profits with these coupons and most say they will never do it again. These business owners lost money and / or long term customers as a result. Either the discount was way too deep and each transaction was a loss, or the increase in transactions forced them to drop the ball servicing their existing (profitable) customers. Just make sure you know what you’re getting into.

Mark Deutsch
Mark Deutsch
11 years ago

Excellent comment Chris and right on point. Deep discounting is NOT A WINNING STRATEGY. It is almost impossible to out Wal-Mart, Wal-Mart. Drive value, not discounts folks. I love a good deal myself, but not once has it converted me to along-term client. My 2 cents.

Chris Terrell
Chris Terrell
11 years ago

I’ll be the first to admit that the majority of these deals I buy are for the discount and not to try something new. Having said that, Rostov’s on Main Street gets my coffee business now where before I wasn’t even aware of them. But they are the exception to the rule. I believe one significant downside (for the merchant) occurs when the establishments, particularly restaurants, run their deal multiple times. They are in effect discounting their brand. Once I see an offer run more than once it lowers the bar for how much I am willing to pay to… Read more »

Chris
Chris
11 years ago

It’s a dangerous deal, especially for the small business owner. When the deal goes away, so do the customers. Better to get them with awesome product and service. Build loyalty, not frugality.

Blair
Blair
11 years ago

Chris nailed it on the head. Deal chasers are not the right customers for the local SMB.

Martha Long
Martha Long
11 years ago

I bought the CC Nursery deal and, just as McAuliffe said, spent just $40. Cross Creek is a beautiful facility but pricey and without the discount it is much cheaper to buy from Lowes…with not much degredation in quality…hate to say. Having said that, I ran a deal for my business and it was very successful. It is a service business, though, and the cost of doing business besides rent, electric, and a few supplies(which does add up) is mostly my time. I was able to introduce customers to the business and a large percentage returned and continue to return… Read more »

Mark McAuliffe
Mark McAuliffe
11 years ago

Good question Chris – We feel like because we have always been a little of a hidden gem that once we get people here they tend to become repeat customers. We have found that mostly true with the Groupon customers so far. What I was trying to express when being interviewed is that Groupon/Living Social seem to be worth while once or twice but not on a continual basis. I would like to point out to Martha that we are certainly not an expensive place to buy from as she states. Where Lowes and most other garden centers buy all… Read more »

Melvin Pritchett
Melvin Pritchett
7 years ago

It’s always great to add selection to the forever growing daily deals industry. Groupon has allowed me to take vacations with my family at very deep discounts. On the flip side of that, for the business owner participating, this can’t be good for profits. It will be interesting to see what Amazon will bring to the table.